Oh... and their reasoning? You have one guess.

Hint: "ne trebuie pentru războiul din Ucraina"

@walter
Woah, the people who wrote the law are not Romanian? Bad news!

@cjd, no, they are just incompetent and my hunch is that they didn't read relevant papers and ended up using some slang words that a geek might use on the internet, instead of using actual words that officially exist in our language.

And of course, if you find anything on the internet, it must be true so... they've just used the wrong technical words.

@walter so they're catching up to the US?

@wolf480pl @walter
AFAIK US does not have data retention laws, it's just that AT&T is an evil company who will sell out their customers for a nickle.

@cjd @walter instead US installs link-speed capture devices in ISP's infrastructure and retains whatever it wants directly on NSA servers.

@wolf480pl @walter
Yes, because AT&T doesn't care about their customers' privacy and the NSA offers them money. Probably also threatens to call the IRS and have them audited if they don't play ball, this is a thing.

@wolf480pl @cjd @walter
Add the germans to the list, DECIX is too big to not succumb to the temptation...

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/ueberwachung-am-de-cix-betreiber-des-weltgroessten-internetknotens-wirft-bnd-rechtsbruch-vor-1.3994191

@rru142 @wolf480pl @walter

Now do you understand why I created PacketCrypt ?
https://pkt.cash/mine

@cjd @wolf480pl @walter
Yup :)

@rru142 @wolf480pl @walter

@redchrision can you take a look at the text and tell us if this law was originally written in Romanian or if it's a shoddy translation?

If lawmakers are voting for bills which were slipped under the door by foreigners then there's a big problem.

@cjd @wolf480pl @walter @redchrision
Uhm, that problem might be "harmonization" of the lawmaking process in the EU. Look at
european data retention directive.
(Hey, that article even has a special section about romania...)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

The step from "metadata" to "complete record of all packets" is small, was tried and will be tried again and again in the future IMHO...

@rru142 @redchrision @wolf480pl @walter

> The court held that the transposing act violated the constitutional rights of privacy, of confidentiality in communications, and of free speech.

> The European Commission subsequently sued Romania in 2011 for non-implementation, threatening Romania with a fine of 30,000 euros per day

> The Romanian parliament passed a new law in 2012 [...] law too was declared unconstitutional by the CCR

Based CCR

@rru142 @redchrision @wolf480pl @walter

> On 8 April 2014, in the landmark Digital Rights Ireland and Ors case, the Court of Justice of the European Union declared the Directive 2006/24/EC invalid for violating fundamental rights.

Apparently that one is dead, this is something different.

@cjd, as I saind in the other thread, it's probably just a botched translation on their part.

If anyone wants to take a stab at this, here's a link to the law in question, L532/2021 and all the history and changes; Oh... and of course, all you get is thousands of scanned pages, no diffs or patches in sight.

https://senat.ro/legis/lista.aspx?nr_cls=L532&an_cls=2021

NOTE: JS is needed for the tabs, otherwise check the raw markup or disable the CSS.

cc: @rru142 @wolf480pl @redchrision

@cjd, and there is one other thing that people in this thread might not know:

The current prime minister is a retired military general that participated in the Bosnian, Afganistan and Iraq wars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ciuc%C4%83

And he was instaded ofter the old prime minister was dismissed by his own party, both of them from the same political party:

https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-25122265-cine-este-nicolae-ciuca-propunerea-dorita-klaus-iohannis-pentru-functia-prim-ministru.htm

@rru142 @wolf480pl @redchrision

@walter who is the telcom provider in they eyes of the law in Romania? Recently i heard from my lawyer that telcom's arent just anyone providing services on internet so most libre/fedi hosters arent consider telcoms (at least not in nl).

@muppeth, I actually have no idea what makes a telecom provider.

I'm still waiting for a good summary and explanation; because I don't legalese and it's a pain to read any of those documents, you have to really know how to read them.

@walter Sweden introduced this many years ago and sadly has no real constitutional court.

@clacke, I've heard that they have a similar law in Denmark, there was something it beings against an EU directive, but I don't know the details or if it is true.

@rathantara, hai că "partidu' dă aitiști" a depus deja contestația la CCR:

L532/2021 - Anunţat în Plen, pt. exercitarea dreptului de sesizare asupra constituționalității Legii

https://senat.ro/legis/lista.aspx?nr_cls=L532&an_cls=2021

Între timp, eu zic să continuăm cu salutul tradițional: #CuieMiucă